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Old December 1st, 2014, 05:42 PM   #21
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great. with the kind of quality in the posted photos, denali-based (d2) pricing is competitive enough and i will pick yours over that. let us know if you're selling

i wish i had the capability in my garage to fabricate stuff for personal use
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Old December 1st, 2014, 06:10 PM   #22
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great. with the kind of quality in the posted photos, denali-based (d2) pricing is competitive enough and i will pick yours over that. let us know if you're selling

i wish i had the capability in my garage to fabricate stuff for personal use
Cool I am already planning on building them.

I've always liked making things. Didn't always have the right tools. It's a lot of fun, but also a lot of work.

I made these by hand using a hack saw and file!
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Old December 1st, 2014, 06:38 PM   #23
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So the install requires 2 holes.

A hole in the fender carriage thing - for the wire to pass through.


A hole in the headlight housing - for the wires to enter and connect to the headlight. Added a water-tight fitting.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 07:41 AM   #24
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Definitely some pro-level fabrication work there. But before anyone spends money on an LED headlamp "replacement" you should remember that they are in no way legal (DOT or EU) as they do not maintain the stock, certified photometrics (beam pattern). I note that Cree and Superbright do not sell them as anything more than daytime running lights. The ones you see on fleabay are mostly Chinese crap. Anyone can buy LEDs, even from Cree, and then call them whatever they want.

If I were an insurance claims adjuster I'd go after that before I worried about some CF wheels...
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 08:42 AM   #25
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Definitely some pro-level fabrication work there. But before anyone spends money on an LED headlamp "replacement" you should remember that they are in no way legal (DOT or EU) as they do not maintain the stock, certified photometrics (beam pattern). I note that Cree and Superbright do not sell them as anything more than daytime running lights. The ones you see on fleabay are mostly Chinese crap. Anyone can buy LEDs, even from Cree, and then call them whatever they want.

If I were an insurance claims adjuster I'd go after that before I worried about some CF wheels...
Oh yes. There are no LED bulb replacements that are legal, plain and simple. No matter what the seller says about DOT approval, they are not.

These auxiliary lights are not legal either, technically. I think you are only allowed 2 or 3 light sources (depends on state), and each of these LEDs since they have their own lenses count as one light source each.

The reason I think it's acceptable is because the "low" mode is quite dim. You can stare directly into it (briefly) with no issues. It's no brighter than the stock headlight, so you can run them at night without blinding anyone. The "high" mode must be reserved for off-road, or country roads with no traffic.

But, there are plenty of adventure guys who put 20,000 lumens on their bike on full power all the time and no one seems to care, so there's that
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 03:53 PM   #26
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Nothing about this setup or any other I've seen on this forum says "give me a ticket". Coming from someone who got an exorbitant amount of speeding tickets growing up, you really do have to give them a reason to pull you over (most of the time).

They look very OEM. I doubt your average trooper would give thm a second glance unless you were pulled for blinding traffic in the first place.
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Old December 4th, 2014, 09:16 AM   #27
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This is one place I'd prefer a uniform set of requirements. For example, OR and WA (among others) require all motorcycles regardless of age to run a headlight during the day. This makes life tough for some of the guys with pre-WWII bikes on various cross-country rides like Cannonball. I don't run my headlamp on any of my Velocettes here in Cali but next year I'll be in Ory-gun so I am going to try an LED in the "city" lamp holder in the headlight reflector. You UK types will know what this is. It is super bright and only draws 4W, but the color is very white, unlike the yellow glow from the main bulb. These bikes have magneto ignition so they don't need their ancient 6V generators (and mechanical regulator) to run.

But as for multiple light sources, have you looked at the front of the new Alfa Romeo 4C? The headlights look like the eyes of a spider.
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Good conversation, Zippy. What's the distinction between running lights and driving lamps anymore? It's like a contest to have the most LED strips or patterns and some, like the newer Audi's, are very bright. Granted, I can't really say they project very far.
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Good conversation, Zippy. What's the distinction between running lights and driving lamps anymore? It's like a contest to have the most LED strips or patterns and some, like the newer Audi's, are very bright. Granted, I can't really say they project very far.
Kind of like the running lights on our bikes. There are 3-4 LEDs on each side of the headlight making up a strip. They don't project any light useable. The headlight is always on, so they are kind of hard to see when riding, and they don't match the headlight tint. I guess they look cool when you put it in parking light mode though!
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Good conversation, Zippy. What's the distinction between running lights and driving lamps anymore? It's like a contest to have the most LED strips or patterns and some, like the newer Audi's, are very bright. Granted, I can't really say they project very far.
There are national standards for vehicle lighting, contained in the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. FMVSS 108 covers vehicle lighting. Each lamp has to meet a photometric requirement as installed, meaning that the lamp must produce a certain light output at specified angles and distances. Only recently has this standard addressed maximums, due to the proliferation of headlamps etc. that are too bright and interfere with oncoming drivers' vision.

These standards are certified by each manufacturer, typically with the marking "DOT". However, enforcement is left up to the states and other local jurisdictions so it varies a lot. The only enforcement method that is available to the Feds is a Safety Recall, and we all know how popular those are. I dealt with these issues in my previous life.

As always, there is a big difference here in what is truly "legal" and what you can get away with. I think that's a good thing, up to a limit.
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