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Old August 8th, 2015, 07:20 AM   #1
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Thinking of Jumping Ship from Monster 821

Hello all,

Has anyone here spent time on the Monster 821? I'm 6' with a 33" inseam and am feeling cramped on my Monster 821. Around town and for my 9 mile commute, the bike is fine. It's the longer rides and HEAT that bothers me. Lower back, hips, knees, ankles (rear sets push heels out... poor design) ache after most rides longer than an hour. Also, after stopping for 30 seconds the heat that scorches your inner thighs before billowing up is rough, especially in this Houston summer.

It's a little frustrating knowing that I test rode the M796, M1100evo and Speed Triple before committing to the M821. I was set on the Monster idea the past 5 years and finally a bought one in March. The HS/HM wasn't even on my radar, unfortunately. Now 2000+ miles later I'm having second thoughts.

Also, this isn't a "one bike for every occasion" type of advice I'm seeking. It's for an outsider's perspective on the monster since I have a WR250F for hare scrambles/trail riding and planning on a ADV bike, (F800gs) in the next 6 months. I want the right tool for the job.

Overall, I'm a big believer in the 821 platform, I just feel I may be on the wrong bike. What say you guys? Any advice you can give me on keeping it, trading it? Any insight on the HS/HM that would detract from such move?

I'll probably take a bath trading it...

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Old August 8th, 2015, 07:52 AM   #2
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Test ride, or at least sit on the hyper - I think it will solve a lot of your issues but only you can fully answer that. I love the ergos and haven't had heat issues. For me the strada is a great all around bike - harder edged than the japanese - but I tour on it and find it comfortable and capable in all weather.

If you can take the time to sell the monster yourself you'll get a lot more money than the dealer will give you. On the other hand, they may want to move the hm/stradas so they may give you a good deal, as the monster will be a lot easier to sell.

It's interesting how overlooked this bike can be. I was at a ducati demo day and a rider was describing what type of bike he wanted to the dealership owner. It sure sounded like a strada to me and I mentioned it. The bike was 20 feet away and he'd simply not seen it - suddenly he was very interested.

I think it's a great form factor and a great bike.
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Old August 8th, 2015, 10:15 AM   #3
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Seems like your biggest complaints are riding position and heat. The hyper makes like... no heat. I've never felt it. The riding position is more stretched out too, but I wouldn't call it comfortable.
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Old August 8th, 2015, 04:13 PM   #4
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Seems like your biggest complaints are riding position and heat. The hyper makes like... no heat. I've never felt it. The riding position is more stretched out too, but I wouldn't call it comfortable.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #5
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I Ride: Hyperstrada, Yamaha MT-07
I have driven both. The hyper is much, much. more comfortable. My problem with the monster is in the knees after long rides +1hour. With the hyper I can go all day (almost).

I was on a all day track event with the monster. After about half day I had so much pain in my back and knees that I couldn't enjoy the rest of the day. And I couldn't perform as I wanted. The next month I went there with my new hyper and I had no problems with my back. Ok I got tired but no pain in my back or knees. Much more fun and the hyper is really fun to ride on track and performs very well in those conditions. Only thing I would change is the low rev "studdering" that wasn't there on the 821 monster. It's a bit hard to keep an even throttle between 3000-5000 revs. (But You get used to it)
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Old August 9th, 2015, 06:25 AM   #6
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Thanks for the pointers so far. Yesterday I went to the dealer that I bought the M821 from to see if I can get a test ride. They said they don't have any available models to demo, so sitting was basically my only option. That kinda sucks. They have a 14' Low Hyperstrada, 13' Hypermotard and a 14' Hypermotard SP. I can almost flat foot the Low HS, the HM was balls of my feet, while the HMSP was toes. I really need to get a test ride somewhere.

Would you guys agree with some of the sentiment I read around here that +75mph is rough? Cause it's not exactly smooth sailing on the M821 either and it's something that I've become used to. Up around the triple digits the turbulence can be so rough that vision becomes blurry.
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I guess comfort is all relative. Is it more comfortable than a sport bike? Hell yes! Is it more comfortable than a sport touring bike (vstrom, versys, etc)? No way! Like I said the riding position is quite nice, but the nature of the engine, suspension, and seat grows tiresome. Keep in mind I have the SP model a fair bit taller and stiffer than the HS.

75mph isn't that bad actually. It's just a lot of wind. I've never felt any turbulence really. The thing is the Hyper has you sitting straight up, so it's hard to lean into the wind slightly like you might on the monster. It can be done but there are better options if you're spending all your time on the highway.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 09:32 AM   #8
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Thanks for the pointers so far. Yesterday I went to the dealer that I bought the M821 from to see if I can get a test ride. They said they don't have any available models to demo, so sitting was basically my only option. That kinda sucks. They have a 14' Low Hyperstrada, 13' Hypermotard and a 14' Hypermotard SP. I can almost flat foot the Low HS, the HM was balls of my feet, while the HMSP was toes. I really need to get a test ride somewhere.

Would you guys agree with some of the sentiment I read around here that +75mph is rough? Cause it's not exactly smooth sailing on the M821 either and it's something that I've become used to. Up around the triple digits the turbulence can be so rough that vision becomes blurry.
It really depends on the riding context. On a busy highway with truck turbulence etc it can be blustery. In clean air 75 is sweet. Triple digits - I don't know. The screen blocks air just as you think it would -chest good,shoulders in the wind stream. With my helmet, the air off the top comes in under the chin so there's wind noise. Earplugs work wonders.

As far as helmet shaking turbulence - it could also be your helmet. Apart from air simply hitting you at speed, there's no added turbulence.

As far as ergos - i have no problems riding long days - other than standing up periodically to re-arrange the boys. This is the hyperstrada:It differs from the SP in that it has a lower suspension, different seat, different engine management, and the screen. Small things that add up. Still, you're not on a strom - but the payoff is immediacy and involvement.

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Old August 10th, 2015, 03:39 PM   #9
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I have a horrible back and my first year on it was in FL. The only discomfort I get from my longer trips (about 150 miles) is a sore ass, even though this is the best stock seat I've ever had. On shorter commutes, say 40 miles, my shoulders get worked if I keep it above 80, even with the touring screen.

And this bike scavenges heat amazingly. I spent many a 100+ F day stuck in traffic and the only indication I had of engine heat was looking down at the display. You might get a little wiff on the thighs when the fan kicks in but it's threshold is very high.

If you like the naked appeal and don't need luggage or a center-stand, get the SP and deal with one foot stops. I have closer to a 32" inseam and plant one foot firmly at stops. Be careful with the Low model- which I think all '15 Strada's are now- there are some performance compromises in the handling department. Plenty of literature here about that.

You've got the right motor, though. Friggin fantastic little mill. Haven't tested the 796/1100 models but wouldn't even consider them based on spec sheets and this site.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 07:38 AM   #10
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Hello all,

Has anyone here spent time on the Monster 821? I'm 6' with a 33" inseam and am feeling cramped on my Monster 821. Around town and for my 9 mile commute, the bike is fine. It's the longer rides and HEAT that bothers me. Lower back, hips, knees, ankles (rear sets push heels out... poor design) ache after most rides longer than an hour. Also, after stopping for 30 seconds the heat that scorches your inner thighs before billowing up is rough, especially in this Houston summer.

It's a little frustrating knowing that I test rode the M796, M1100evo and Speed Triple before committing to the M821. I was set on the Monster idea the past 5 years and finally a bought one in March. The HS/HM wasn't even on my radar, unfortunately. Now 2000+ miles later I'm having second thoughts.

Also, this isn't a "one bike for every occasion" type of advice I'm seeking. It's for an outsider's perspective on the monster since I have a WR250F for hare scrambles/trail riding and planning on a ADV bike, (F800gs) in the next 6 months. I want the right tool for the job.

Overall, I'm a big believer in the 821 platform, I just feel I may be on the wrong bike. What say you guys? Any advice you can give me on keeping it, trading it? Any insight on the HS/HM that would detract from such move?

I'll probably take a bath trading it...
You and I are nearly the same build, I am just over 6 foot with a 34" inseam. When I was fitted for my leathers (no off-the-rack suit fits me) the lovely young lady who measured me said I had an extra couple of inches in my shins and forearms.

The first time I sat on my 'Strada I fell in love. The sit-up-and-beg riding position is just perfect for me. I've done back-to-back 450 mile days on twisty back roads with no pain. And that ride was at speeds I do not care to admit!

When I sat on a Monster 821 the first thing I noticed was the exhaust pipe against my leg. No such problem on the 'Strada. It gets hot here too, especially around town, and the bike does not roast me like my Buell XBSs did.

Good luck on your trade-in...I don't think you would regret it.

BTW Last year I had a good hard ride on a friend's 800GS... felt pretty wimpy compared to the 821!

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