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Old February 14th, 2019, 06:20 AM   #11
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interesting, does anyone have an opinion which would be a better insert, the Mupo or Andreani?

I have the Andreani kit. Paid $479 shipped from Bellissimoto.com during their Christmas sale. For the price j woyld say they are THE best bang for the buck. You order them and specify your weight and intended riding purpose and they send you the appropriate spring rate. My kit took over a month to get and they came with the wrong springs(ordered on Thanksgiving and recieved around Christmas). After going g through many internet searches I discovered they had the wrong spring rate. I finally recieved the correct spring rate about a month ago. The bike feels so much more controlled and planted. It doesn't buck you when you hit a series of bumps anymore. I still need to address the rear. According to the importer of Andreani, the prices are about to change on their kits the didnt say for sure but they implied that they were going down. All that being said, I would definitely recomend this kit but if you order from Bellissimoto expect to wait. He made things right in the end but now I have a 2nd order in (boot insoles and a t shirt, both said they were in stock) and I have yet to see them. Placed order 1/18/2019 and still says processing. The work needed on the fork tube is not that dificult if you are handy in the garage you can do it. Many (including myself) used a hole saw and a 4x4 to make the tool that holds the fork tube while unthreading it from the lower. As for the "machining" of the grub screw, you tap a star bit into the grub screw and back it out then pick up a new grub screw. There are a few detailed videos that show exactly what I'm explaining, even then 4x4 tool
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Old February 14th, 2019, 03:10 PM   #12
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I have the Andreani kit. Paid $479 shipped from Bellissimoto.com during their Christmas sale. For the price j woyld say they are THE best bang for the buck. You order them and specify your weight and intended riding purpose and they send you the appropriate spring rate. My kit took over a month to get and they came with the wrong springs(ordered on Thanksgiving and recieved around Christmas). After going g through many internet searches I discovered they had the wrong spring rate. I finally recieved the correct spring rate about a month ago. The bike feels so much more controlled and planted. It doesn't buck you when you hit a series of bumps anymore. I still need to address the rear. According to the importer of Andreani, the prices are about to change on their kits the didnt say for sure but they implied that they were going down. All that being said, I would definitely recomend this kit but if you order from Bellissimoto expect to wait. He made things right in the end but now I have a 2nd order in (boot insoles and a t shirt, both said they were in stock) and I have yet to see them. Placed order 1/18/2019 and still says processing. The work needed on the fork tube is not that dificult if you are handy in the garage you can do it. Many (including myself) used a hole saw and a 4x4 to make the tool that holds the fork tube while unthreading it from the lower. As for the "machining" of the grub screw, you tap a star bit into the grub screw and back it out then pick up a new grub screw. There are a few detailed videos that show exactly what I'm explaining, even then 4x4 tool
Could you post a link to those vids. Thanks
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Old February 14th, 2019, 04:42 PM   #13
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Could you post a link to those vids. Thanks
There are a few links on this forum. Here is one of them. We just covered it in detail when 2 or 3 of us just did the swap on the Ducati Hypermotard/Hyperstrada Owners North America Facebook group. Many pics and videos. The hardest part is removing an odd insert inside the inner chrome tube. Some say they cut the center out, some say they hammered it out. It is actually threaded in and you can make a tool to do this using a thick piece of metal and a cut off wheel or band saw.

The Andreani Install: How it went.
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Old February 15th, 2019, 11:18 AM   #14
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Embarrassing question: do all fully adjustable front forks use the same P/C/R adjustment setups? My Andreani's aren't labeled and I can't find a manual or labeled diagram anywhere on the web.
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Old February 15th, 2019, 12:03 PM   #15
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There are a few links on this forum. Here is one of them. We just covered it in detail when 2 or 3 of us just did the swap on the Ducati Hypermotard/Hyperstrada Owners North America Facebook group. Many pics and videos. The hardest part is removing an odd insert inside the inner chrome tube. Some say they cut the center out, some say they hammered it out. It is actually threaded in and you can make a tool to do this using a thick piece of metal and a cut off wheel or band saw.

The Andreani Install: How it went.
Thanks - reviewed the thread some time ago. I'l check out the facebook page. I'll probably go with the single cartridge Mupo, so all I probably have to do on the other fork is remove the guts.
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Old February 15th, 2019, 12:26 PM   #16
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Embarrassing question: do all fully adjustable front forks use the same P/C/R adjustment setups? My Andreani's aren't labeled and I can't find a manual or labeled diagram anywhere on the web.
Left is rebound, right is compression. And both gold are preload on my Andreani . Notice the small lettering next to the center screw. Also, you cant see the preload lines on these, you must count the turns in after backing them out all the way.
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Old February 16th, 2019, 05:08 PM   #17
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Although I've not tried the Andreani kit, I doubt it is better than anything Mupo, however, bang for the buck, I have to say it's the Andreani...I personally think my Mupo is better than all of the Ohlins I've had., top shelf really..

Then there's the stupid expensive full upgrade (both forks) some of us went with that requires you to have one of the lower fork fitting machined to add a real cartridge to the other fork, then there's TiN or DLC coating the lower tubes, etc., etc., like I said, stupid expensive but I have to say it transformed the bike...

Based on what so many on here have said about the improvement from the one side Andreani upgrade for the money, you should at least try that first...rear shock isn't bad but that can be easily improved upon as well but now we're getting back to stupid expensive...you see this is a slippy slope...I'm a suspension junkie, so I should not be giving advice....

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Old February 17th, 2019, 06:21 AM   #18
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K-tech makes some cartridges as well but they arent talked about as much and are expensive. It's my understand that many of the high end suspension tuners can provide you with custom(and or) better valving for for any of the kits you get. I'm not sure where race tech sits on peoples lists of quality but I remember reading that they offer valves for anything. But if you get that deep into the suspension worm hole you are trying to make the bike compete outside it's intended purpose and will have a disadvantage because of that. Its possible to be competitive on the track with one, I believe BadToTheBrown does this, but I'm sure he would admit there are better options for a track bike.
I'm curious how difficult it would be to swap out some high end MX forks. That might be cheaper and possibly perform better for hooligan riding/daily riding. I believe here is in the process of putting the 1100 fork on the 821/939.
https://www.orientexpress.com/p-2126...artridges.aspx
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I'm pretty happy with the revalving in the front done by Race Tech and the stock rear shock, except for one thing. That's the "freeway hop" I get at anything over 60-ish when I'm on the slab. If I had to ride it on those surfaces a lot I would go after that next, but most of my riding is on back roads.

I did put a set of Andreanis on my 390 Duke, and they seemed really stiff. I've sold that bike, so didn't get into changing the spring rate.
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Old February 17th, 2019, 10:16 AM   #20
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...how difficult it would be to swap out some high end MX forks. That might be cheaper and possibly perform better for hooligan riding/daily riding. I believe here is in the process of putting the 1100 fork on the 821/939.https://www.orientexpress.com/p-2126...artridges.aspx
I looked into doing this between the HS and HM 821/939 and it's not as easy as one would suspect, primary problem appears to be fork length of HS forks (shorter)...HM 1100 forks look like they have a similar problem (good forks but too long for HS, probably right for HM) which is what led me to follow in RSL's foot steps and upgrade my forks as I did not want the extra inseam of the HM suspension...if someone can figure out a good swap option, I personally think that would be best if you could go bigger with the tubes/trees, the HMs look easier for such a swap, at least to me, also, MX forks ARE LONG and our HSs are shorter...

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