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Old May 24th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #21
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With TPM I don't expect to ride on a flat because of the early warning.

Since the TPM is a Garmin add-on, I had to twist the valve to provide front brake caliper clearance.



Thus, the concern of riding on a flat, breaking the seal of the bead, is nearly zero.

For my organized rides there are a couple rules:

1) New tires.
2) No major service before the ride because many service techs can't be trusted. Confirm all is well at home.
3) Proper safety gear.
4) B2B radio for obvious reasons.
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Old May 24th, 2017, 01:46 AM   #22
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Realistically, even Harleys are reliable for long rides now.

Failures we have encountered, other than crash damage, has allowed each of us to complete the ride. Even on our 7,000+ mile loops.

So, whether to carry a tool chest and bike part spares remains a personal thing. Some travel with the notion that it is better to bring everything that might be needed, and some figuring they can buy whatever might be needed.

Which is right doesn't matter.

I drive a car with over 300,000 miles that I purchased new over 13 years ago. Never have has an engine code. Never had any failure. Never had to wrench anything on any cross country trip. Maybe because I'm a stickler for routine maintenance at the dealer? When visiting Ducati I always ask is there any suggested maintenance? Anything the Owners Manual has listed for time or mileage?

My conclusion is that following the prescribed maintenance schedule allows for trouble free ownership. (Flats are always a different issue.)

In the past, motorcycles were not nearly as reliable as now. In the old days of tube tires, carburetors, crap chains, etc..., I had to carry tools. Riding enduros with creek and river crossings, I had to be prepared to empty the cylinder after being filled with water. Those days are in the past.

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Old May 24th, 2017, 05:51 AM   #23
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This thread has been invaluable for planning my trip this weekend.
This is where I am going to be riding
https://youtu.be/UPPypEK_-34
The mountain you see in front of them when they start out is where my campground is, on the other side of it.

When I was a young buck I used to do hare scrambles. I always found a few gardening tools to be very valuable for dealing with the environment if you get stuck. A small wood saw for trimming branches is helpful as well as a small military style folding trench shovel. Also a pair of aviation snips for pesky vines when they decide to wrap themselves all around your rotating parts. And obviously a good hunting knife too. Not a big Rambo type deal but a conpact folding job with a nice sharp blade.
I found these tools got more use than the tools for the bike on most occasions.
Oh and a small machete has its uses too

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Old May 24th, 2017, 09:10 AM   #24
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Realistically, even Harleys are reliable for long rides now.

Failures we have encountered, other than crash damage, has allowed each of us to complete the ride. Even on our 7,000+ mile loops.

So, whether to carry a tool chest and bike part spares remains a personal thing. Some travel with the notion that it is better to bring everything that might be needed, and some figuring they can buy whatever might be needed.

Which is right doesn't matter.

I drive a car with over 300,000 miles that I purchased new over 13 years ago. Never have has an engine code. Never had any failure. Never had to wrench anything on any cross country trip. Maybe because I'm a stickler for routine maintenance at the dealer? When visiting Ducati I always ask is there any suggested maintenance? Anything the Owners Manual has listed for time or mileage?

My conclusion is that following the prescribed maintenance schedule allows for trouble free ownership. (Flats are always a different issue.)

In the past, motorcycles were not nearly as reliable as now. In the old days of tube tires, carburetors, crap chains, etc..., I had to carry tools. Riding enduros with creek and river crossings, I had to be prepared to empty the cylinder after being filled with water. Those days are in the past.
I agree on the general reliability of modern machines etc.. One thing for tire repair: you need either pliers or a screwdriver to get the object out - I'd at least carry a leatherman or other multitool with locking tools.

The chain thing is one of those endless debates. I think lube between the plates is a good idea, and having some on the rollers for lubing the sprockets can't hurt.

But, the unexpected is the unexpected, and I'd rather light one socket than curse the bolt (or something like that). I do all my maintenance, apart from valves and belts, so I've got a feel for what I'm capable of. I've honed my kit to what I can realistically do, it's not a "chest" it's a 4 x 8 inch roll.

Also it's good to be in a position to help other riders and motorists. I rescued a family stuck on the side of the road in the middle of 100 degree Utah desert - all they needed was a slotted screwdriver. There was a little kid - it might not have gone well.

Another example: In a car, in the desert, some wire got caught in the front brakes - quick reversing fortunately got it out. On the bike I could, with torx t25 pull the pads and remove the object. You just don't know.

It's a good thread and people can adapt and adjust to their needs.
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Old May 24th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #25
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Thus, the concern of riding on a flat, breaking the seal of the bead, is nearly zero.
Does that system actually work? How much pressure loss before it gives a warning?

Breaking the bead on tubeless is hard to do. I've seen it done a couple times:
Once buddy on his FJR hit a huge rock straight on. Busted wheel and broke tire bead. Good news was he somehow kept the bike up right.

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For my organized rides there are a couple rules:
1) New tires.
2) No major service before the ride because many service techs can't be trusted. Confirm all is well at home.
3) Proper safety gear.
4) B2B radio for obvious reasons.
I really like your Number 2 rule! Too many guys blindly trust dealer mechanics.
Man, I've got stories on this topic. "Hard to believe" stuff actually.

So yes, allow plenty of shake down rides to confirm bike is OK before departing on long ride. Also, have a close look around your bike, check fasteners, hose and wire routing, body panels, axle nuts ... look in the area they did work. Oil leak from oil change? Common thing. Amazing what you can find.


Our group, only 9 shown here, 14 riders in all. About 3500 miles San Fran to
Copper Canyon and back via Baja. Good experienced riders, good prep. NO
mechanicals other than some Crash damage from BIG bikes trying to go off road.

Down but not out. My Ortho Surgeon friend was good to have along ... lifting his GS up 5 times was not so good. Novice dirt riders on big ADV bikes not good.
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Old May 24th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #26
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The chain thing is one of those endless debates. I think lube between the plates is a good idea, and having some on the rollers for lubing the sprockets can't hurt.
I agree. Sure, you can never lube your O or X ring chain, but a lightly lubed and clean chain will run quieter, smoother ... and will last longer.

Chain rollers will last longer when lubed as impact with sprockets does wear chain rollers/O rings over time. High speed and wheelies are worst offenders to your chain.

Problem with lube is it picks up grit when you go off road. Off road, I use NO lube on my X ring chains. On tour I wipe down and re-lube my chain daily. Just part of daily ritual and walk around inspection of bike before departure. WD40 or a bit of Diesel works. Motels will give you old towels ... just ask.

I've done group rides since the 80's. Starting with the North Stars (former San Fran Police "Honda Unit" riding club). Now with AYU group. AYU (as yet un-named) is a mix of guys from other Bay Area groups. (North Stars, NorCAl Chuck Wood group, East Bay MotoBros and several independent and current or former Sunday Morning Ride veterans.

We got Lawyers, Doctors, Berkeley lab nuclear physicists (2), X racers/race team owners, pro mechanics, machinists, Journalists and ... legends! .

We have about 10 rides we do nearly every year with several variations on each route and some "new" rides too. We do rides all over San Fran Bay Area and California. Also Oregon, Death Valley, several Sierra rides, Nevada and Black Rock Desert and Mexico. Sometimes Utah, Colorado rides. Only ride I have led was a ride to Copper Canyon. It went well, no one died!

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Old May 24th, 2017, 04:25 PM   #27
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Does that system actually work? How much pressure loss before it gives a warning?.
You set the pressure desired and the pressure where you get a screen warning on the Zumo GPS.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 04:25 PM   #28
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You set the pressure desired and the pressure where you get a screen warning on the Zumo GPS.
Hey RSL,

Do you recommend the TPS addon to the Zumo? I'm about to purchase a 595LM, and it's about $100 CND extra.

Thanks!
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Old May 25th, 2017, 04:38 PM   #29
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Absolutely the TPM is a huge safety feature to add to a GPS.

To note, by way of a warning on the GPS screen, a low tire pressure may save you from riding all the way to a flat tire.

Not sure your tires feel right? Touch the tire pressure app and see what the pressure is.


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Old May 25th, 2017, 07:49 PM   #30
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So i paired down my tool selection a bit but i am still at about 6kg... more to go. One other thing that I was pondering on is if i should get some straps ... hoping to put the bike on a ferry boat for a pretty long water ride ... last time i went on a ferry with the car i've seen some bikers take out some straps and tying down their bikes etc ...
On the maintenance front i can only agree ... all cars and bikes i owned i serviced ...
My only "fear" is that i am going to get to that one spot where there is no cell service ... no one driving around and i am missing that "one" stupid tool

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