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Old December 14th, 2017, 04:40 PM   #51
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Sure. No guarantee it will produce great results since our bikes are going to be different but you can give it a shot. You might want to wait until I verify all the trims with another data log in the coming week.

***First things first. Take some screen shots of your current settings, current map, and current Auto Adaptivity trims before changing any of this. Also do the "Backup" just in case. That way you can go back at any time to your original setup. I'd also be interested what map and auto adaptivity trims you're currently running, so post them up if you can!

1. Plug in your computer to the RB module, open the Rapidbike Master software, and click the connect button. It may ask you to download updates, update firmware, etc. I usually do all that first.

2. Go to the Auto Adaptivity tab and press the DISABLE button on bottom right. Then Apply if it's possible. Leave the RB02 Active checked... this keeps fooling the bike's ECU that the O2 sensors are working properly.

3. Go to the RB Features tab and go to Map Configuration. Change it to 35x9. Go the rows/columns. Leave the RPM limits the same at 1300, 9700. Change the TPS columns to 0, 2, 5, 10, 20, 40, 60, 80, 95. Apply these changes. I had to close the program and re-open and re-connect to get it to show the new configuration.

4. You should have Cyl 1 and Cyl 2 maps all 0's. See if you can open this map and then press Send Map.
Map:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7smsqklyzg...70310.mpp?dl=0

Should look like this:


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Old December 14th, 2017, 05:02 PM   #52
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back to the tuning part of our show:

I put the EVO on along with the termi intake and the MWR power up kit...

And I was not happy. Engine character was gone, it was smoother sure, but... boring. How did I do all this only to arrive at boring?

Changed the oil after about 200 miles or so. Oil was really overdue and that plus maybe the auto-adapt was finally getting the fueling figured out made for much improvement. Still some fueling issues though, especially from 5500 to 7k.

Then I loaded Kuksul08's map. I managed to get 1.4 miles in on that map as a quick test run and ... this is real early... so... let's not get carried away... but

Holy shit this thing is awesome.

If all goes as planned, I should get in a much longer test ride tomorrow and if it doesn't explode from the massive fuel increase I'll report back.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 05:52 AM   #53
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Devinjc that's awesome man. I'm glad somebody is using some of kuksul's research. As far as I'm concerned the man is a veritable wizard. Based on the advice in this thread I've held off on getting a RB unit. I did manage a ride the other day though (I'm fair weather haha) and am learning the bike throttle control a little better. I put it back in race/sport and didn't notice that it was any more violent only more responsive to my inputs. Plus I think the new clutch predictability has helped my confidence/control tremendously.

But I'm glad to hear you're getting things sorted out with the RB. These bikes have ridiculous potential to be unabashedly awesome. Looking forward to hearing how the kukusul kustom map treats you boss!
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Old December 15th, 2017, 01:42 PM   #54
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50 miles today.

Running every gear through from the lowest RPM it will handle to redline-ish and I cannot find any consistent problems and nothing to complain about. It pulls just as hard as it can all the way through every gear.

I think the best part is that now it's both a complete hooligan bike and a really chill commuter, it just depends on your throttle hand.

I did a 1/4 mile in first doing 15mph, not 10-20, 15.

I did a mile in 2nd at 20mph with no surging.

3rd gear is butter from 30-80.

And 6th pulls from 80 to 100 like it's in 5th.

I will say it doesn't feel as torquey, but that could easily be that my butt needs recalibrating.

I am getting a little bit of pop on decel into first, but I also noticed that the change in fueling has me a bit aggressive on the downshifts as it was locking up a bit...

Have a couple of things to discuss with Kuksul08 about the data the led to this map, but I'm about as pleased as I can be with this whole project.

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Old December 15th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #55
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Caltrans, pavers feud over road smoothness | The Sacramento Bee

I tell stories about a section of highway the article is referring to. They repaved it while it was part of my commute... and it is as smooth as glass. It is a part of all my tuning runs now because of how transparent it is. 5 lanes wide and if you catch it empty... mmmphm

And thereís at least 2 miles of new road nearby built to the same standards, and 5 more that might as well be...

If something vibrates, itís on the bike. If something seems off, itís on the bike.

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Old December 19th, 2017, 02:22 PM   #56
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Devinjc that's awesome man. I'm glad somebody is using some of kuksul's research. As far as I'm concerned the man is a veritable wizard. Based on the advice in this thread I've held off on getting a RB unit. I did manage a ride the other day though (I'm fair weather haha) and am learning the bike throttle control a little better. I put it back in race/sport and didn't notice that it was any more violent only more responsive to my inputs. Plus I think the new clutch predictability has helped my confidence/control tremendously.

But I'm glad to hear you're getting things sorted out with the RB. These bikes have ridiculous potential to be unabashedly awesome. Looking forward to hearing how the kukusul kustom map treats you boss!
Lol, I'm a wizard!!!

I just really take the "where there's a will there's a way" philosophy to heart. I was really motivated to figure out the fueling and learn about how it works.

Sadly I think this and the clutch are the last of my Hyper projects as my focus has been drawn elsewhere lately. The bike is pretty much sorted now anyway.
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Old December 20th, 2017, 06:18 AM   #57
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hey man I heard that. If it's fixed don't fix it haha. Besides you've got enough other stuff to occupy your time now like fighting to keep the front end of that XR on the ground, and they call it a "touring" bike haha. Comfort for hooligans
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Old March 8th, 2018, 07:52 AM   #58
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For those who don't want to fool around with the Rapidbike, Termi has a dedicated UPMAP device for our bikes now. it plugs into the diagnostic port, and you can buy different pre set maps. First one is free apparently.

http://www.up-map.it/en/t800/
I've just discovered this also after perusing the Termignoni website. I haven't seen any discussion about it on this site though. I'm wondering if anybody has actually installed it and what the report is. I get a feeling it's a simplified plug and play system that allows you to change maps, but only to other maps designed by UPMAP ((Termignoni). The RapidBike EVO obviously gives a much higher level of actual tuning versus simply downloading a different map from your smartphone. The maps they have are either for full Termi exhaust, or stock exhaust, varying with airbox mods. There were none for slip on only.

From the info in this thread, it seems the RB must be deliberately tuned, likely via kuksul's map or similar, in order to make it work properly. The auto tune should be a great feature but seems to be more of a gimmick. So what are the results after running kuksuls maps for a few months, guys?

RB can also be used on multiple bikes. This is enticing for me as I'm intending to acquire a Monster 821. Monster 821's by the way are naturally (factory) much more impressive with throttle, power, and general snarl. Has anybody used the RB with add-ons for multiple bikes?

Can the T800 device that is used with the new UPMAP be removed from your bike and used on another, like the old upmap stick from Termi?
With the full Termi system, they claim 5.5 horsepower increase.
With the stock exhaust, they claim 3.3 horsepower increase.

By the way, Kuksul, great job. I follow F1 and MotoGP and these days it's so technical it's light years beyond the laymans understanding. Your posts though give a very understandable and achieveable performance enhancement via the same methods as in the big leagues. As they say, "data, data, data". If I decide to go with RB, I obviously must try your map! What type of engineer are you?

Another wizard, ex Ducati master tech, told me about the Russian maps. That was four years ago but I always remember how mysterious it sounded and I've since fantasized about how insane those maps (or any great maps) are and how they can transform the animal into a real beast. Anyone have any clue about that?

The Hyperstrada is staying. It's the greatest bike I've ever had and I'll hang on to it, so I figure it's worth upgrading now. The 1200's are in my sights for the future but until then I'd really like to see the true potential of the 821.
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Old March 8th, 2018, 08:30 AM   #59
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Monster 821's by the way are naturally (factory) much more impressive with throttle, power, and general snarl.
I haven't ridden the Monster 821, but I suspect the better feel comes from having +1 on the rear sprocket compared to the Hyper.
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Old March 8th, 2018, 08:41 AM   #60
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I haven't ridden the Monster 821, but I suspect the better feel comes from having +1 on the rear sprocket compared to the Hyper.
I wish it were true as a sprocket mod would be easy. But it was much more than that. Mapping. We also run 95 Octane fuel here.
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