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flik March 13th, 2017 10:28 AM

Hyperstrada Issue #2,302 | Oil Light
 
Hello,
Oil light every time I come to stop as of yesterday.

Bike has 3,700 miles.

Southern California Motorcycles claims that Ducati says bike will burn a quart every 1,000 miles.

Is this a fact? Should I ghost ride this unreliable pile off a bridge? Should I buy a Yamaha?

Need advice.

kuksul08 March 13th, 2017 11:07 AM

The oil light is an oil pressure light, not oil level. This engine is not known to burn oil...

I think you have a faulty oil pressure switch, or loose connection.

flik March 13th, 2017 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuksul08 (Post 24274)
The oil light is an oil pressure light, not oil level. This engine is not known to burn oil...

I think you have a faulty oil pressure switch, or loose connection.

I beg to differ considering the fact that there is absolutely no oil at all in the oil check window. I'm also not disagree...I'm sure there are multiple problems.

3,700 miles... the dealer literally just told me these bikes burning a quart of oil every 1,000 miles is fair.

That is fucking insane to me.

appliance821 March 13th, 2017 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flik (Post 24275)
I beg to differ considering the fact that there is absolutely no oil at all in the oil check window. I'm also not disagree...I'm sure there are multiple problems.

3,700 miles... the dealer literally just told me these bikes burning a quart of oil every 1,000 miles is fair.

That is fucking insane to me.

It is fucking insane because it's not true, and the dealer is trashing a product he sells and not telling you the truth. (Even if it was true - Ducati would say "liter", not "quart) Mine hasn't burned a drop in 20k miles.

Oil doesn't just disappear -

do you see blue smoke on start up = valve guides
do you see it under load = rings
Do you see any smoke ever?
do you see some leaking = leak

Who changed the oil? Was there ever oil?

Put oil in before your next ride.

Find new dealer.

flik March 13th, 2017 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by appliance821 (Post 24276)
It is fucking insane because it's not true, and the dealer is trashing a product he sells and not telling you the truth. (Even if it was true - Ducati would say "liter", not "quart) Mine hasn't burned a drop in 20k miles.

Oil doesn't just disappear -

do you see blue smoke on start up = valve guides
do you see it under load = rings
Do you see any smoke ever?
do you see some leaking = leak

Who changed the oil? Was there ever oil?

Put oil in before your next ride.

Find new dealer.


No smoke, no leaks.

Ducati didn't tell me quarts, the dealer did (American) - Southern California Motorcycles to be exact.

The owner of a separate dealership in another state told me "that oil consumption is fair, have a dealer change the oil and keep an eye on it."....wtf....

zibbit u2 March 13th, 2017 12:50 PM

Every auto manufacturer will state engines burn oil (which is true), however determining what an acceptable amount of oil is always in question.

Keeping in mind that your oil level is correct:

-I would start by investigating if the connector on the Oil Pressure Switch is properly seated and that the pins are clear of rust or contamination. The switch is located under the horizontal cylinder. It's identified by a small re-inforced cable which extends from the RH case half (look just forward of the oil sight glass above the starter). Clean everything as best you can using contact cleaner put a little dielectric grease on the contact when you re-install the connector. Go for a short ride and see if the problem persists;

-If it returns and the pins were in good shape, I would replace the oil pressure switch. The switch is only about $50 USD + gasket. P/N 53940302A (switch) & 85211951A (gasket). Go for a short ride, and see if it persists.

-If the problem persists, then I'd be concerned that you have in fact a low oil pressure problem. Which would indicate either a problem with the oil pump, or possibly debris that is plugging an oil journal.

kuksul08 March 13th, 2017 01:19 PM

Yeah - no oil in the sight glass is not right. I keep an eye on my oil level pretty often since I do have another bike that burns oil, and the hyper has burned no perceptible amount. Make sure to check the level when the bike is perfectly upright on a level surface.

If it is indeed losing that much oil, you would see it coming out in the form of leaks or smoke, and wouldn't be able to miss it. It would stink like oil too.

zibbit u2 March 13th, 2017 01:23 PM

Manual also states that the oil level should be checked with the bike in a upright position when the motor is cold, ref Page 210 Owners Manual;

Check engine oil level
Check the engine oil level through the sight glass (1)
on the clutch cover. Oil level must be checked with
the motorcycle perfectly upright and the engine cold.
Oil level should be between the marks on the sight
glass. If the level is low, top up with SHELL Advance
4T Ultra engine oil. Remove the oil filler cap (2) and
top up until the oil reaches the required level. Refit
the plug.

Further reading the Owners manual and I came across a little quote on Page 31:

5) ENGINE OIL PRESSURE LIGHT (RED).
Comes on when engine oil pressure is too low. It
must turn on at Key-On, but must turn off a few
seconds after the engine has started. May come on
briefly when the engine is hot, but should go off as
the engine revs up.

gatdammit March 13th, 2017 05:05 PM

"...when engine is cold"; this is of particular note as it goes against every thing I thought I new about vehicle care and maintenance. I confirmed with 2 separate dealers in different states and they very matter of factly confirmed. Not sure if this is a Duc motor characteristic.

I've probably added a half liter tops over 12,000 miles and 3 oil changes. But, I used to ride 45 miles of highway twice a day at 80+ mph. When I moved to a much colder climate, some of the moisture in the case would condense and gum up and I would vent after a ride to get rid of it (thanks to the member that gave me that tip!).

Regardless, a quick search of this site will confirm that this is possibly the first oil pressure or oil burning issue. All the other design flaws have been corrected through TSBs or recalls. Aside from electrical, the engine is marvelous and reliable.

Humor us and confirm you've checked the oil on the center stand or upright with the motor cold. I've personally never owned a motor of any make that didn't burn a little oil. Caveat - though I type like a boring HR rep, I drive like a fucking criminal. I'd be insulted if I didn't burn up a little oil.

flik March 13th, 2017 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatdammit (Post 24281)
"...when engine is cold"; this is of particular note as it goes against every thing I thought I new about vehicle care and maintenance. I confirmed with 2 separate dealers in different states and they very matter of factly confirmed. Not sure if this is a Duc motor characteristic.

I've probably added a half liter tops over 12,000 miles and 3 oil changes. But, I used to ride 45 miles of highway twice a day at 80+ mph. When I moved to a much colder climate, some of the moisture in the case would condense and gum up and I would vent after a ride to get rid of it (thanks to the member that gave me that tip!).

Regardless, a quick search of this site will confirm that this is possibly the first oil pressure or oil burning issue. All the other design flaws have been corrected through TSBs or recalls. Aside from electrical, the engine is marvelous and reliable.



Humor us and confirm you've checked the oil on the center stand or upright with the motor cold. I've personally never owned a motor of any make that didn't burn a little oil. Caveat - though I type like a boring HR rep, I drive like a fucking criminal. I'd be insulted if I didn't burn up a little oil.


haha I appreciate the response. Unfortunately for me, I'm not an idiot either. So I know things. Bike on center stand, checked with cold motor, warm motor, hot motor. No oil in window.

A little oil...sure...I can buy that....a quart every fucking thousand?! That's absurd. That's offensive actually. I put almost a thousand miles on this bike in two days this weekend... that's nothing.

This bike has been nothing but a disappointment. If depreciation wasn't a thing, this thing would be long gone by now. Problem after problem.


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