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Old May 30th, 2017, 07:47 AM   #11
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Unlike my Strada, the FZ has forks that are adjustable for preload and rebound. The ride on our concrete highways is much better, even after the RT mods to the forks on the Strada. Anything over 70 still beats me to death.

As for back road performance, I've only had one good back road ride on the FZ with the Q3s. My initial impression was that the suspenders were no worse there than the stock stuff on the Strada. Also, the FZ's plank of a seat makes the bike feel harsher, too - the accessory "Comfort seat" was an improvement over what both bikes came with.

Bottom line...When you consider the price difference, the Strada should have come with better suspension.

All that said, I'm not keeping the Yam. Too much overlap with our SV, which is still my back road weapon of choice. The extra power does not matter; as I used to warn the guys in my HOG group - "I speed up for corners."

PS If you haven't actually ridden an FZ-09, then you really can't comment on this. If the magazine guys were always right, nobody would have bought an 821 due to all the whining about the clutch.

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Old May 30th, 2017, 09:53 AM   #12
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I agree. I weigh 160 in gear and it seems about right. About that clutch, you're aware of the clutch fix kit that is in the works, correct?
Yes, and thanks again to YOU for setting this up!
I'm all set to do the swap with the new components. So looking forward to this
very worth while upgrade!

My dealer did one thing while my '13 was in to have the rear master cylinder replaced ... some bright bulb adjusted the clutch. That mech must have taken the bike for a test ride and said "... wow! that clutch sucks!" Anyway, its much better now but still nowhere near what good clutch engagement should be like.

Awaiting your update on the Italian clutch kits.
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Old May 30th, 2017, 10:37 AM   #13
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Unlike my Strada, the FZ has forks that are adjustable for preload and rebound. The ride on our concrete highways is much better, even after the RT mods to the forks on the Strada. Anything over 70 still beats me to death.

As for back road performance, I've only had one good back road ride on the FZ with the Q3s. My initial impression was that the suspenders were no worse there than the stock stuff on the Strada. Also, the FZ's plank of a seat makes the bike feel harsher, too - the accessory "Comfort seat" was an improvement over what both bikes came with.

Bottom line...When you consider the price difference, the Strada should have come with better suspension.

All that said, I'm not keeping the Yam. Too much overlap with our SV, which is still my back road weapon of choice. The extra power does not matter; as I used to warn the guys in my HOG group - "I speed up for corners."

PS If you haven't actually ridden an FZ-09, then you really can't comment on this. If the magazine guys were always right, nobody would have bought an 821 due to all the whining about the clutch.
Agree, Ducati could have done a better job dialing in suspension. The components aren't bad and are tune-able in the right hands. Biggest issue I have is dragging hard parts at relatively conservative lean angles.

I've ridden original FZ-09 and owned (briefly) an FJ-09. Both, IMO, had substandard suspension and "marginal" handling compared to what the Strada is capable of. (just my opinion)

I've used Race Tech components, sent many shocks and forks to them ...
starting in mid 90's. Never, ever was happy with results. ALWAYS too stiff. OK on silky smooth race track, but HORRIBLE on real beat up California roads.

We have local guys who produce, IMO, a better result, really listen and give us what we want. One outfit is Super Plush (In San Fran), the other is Catalyst Reaction. C-R did forks on my 1050 Tiger. I put an Ohlins on the rear. Another Hopeless bike. Just bad geometry I guess? could never get the Tiger to really perform. Fantastic motor however.

IMO, the Strada has some potential. Problem is, I'm getting slower ... fast.
(old age, old injuries)

Since I have had a connection with the Motorcycle press, I will defend them based on FACTS and my own experience over 20 years in that world. City Bike are a tiny, non conformist, NON commercial player in this world. Rebels really.

But some years back City Bike was highly respected. It was an honor for me to represent at the dozens of Bike intros and other events I attended for City Bike.

The current City Bike (run by new owners) have sort of gone off the rails. Seems they think they can get good writers ... FREE! Off the Internet!

The MC mag guys I met were usually about 90% spot on regards summing up bikes. Just because they complained about the HyperStrada clutch does not mean they thought the whole bike was crap. I bet if you talked to them in person, you'd get a different take. They have so much experience on so many different machines ... biggest issue is they get jaded.

But the Hyperstrada does fall into a rather small niche, clearly not a bike for every rider.

I got to know a few mag guys, now many are retired or working On Line MC forums rather than the Glossies. John Burns was one of the funniest writers to ever grace the pages of the MC mags. Now? He's rather subdued.
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Old May 30th, 2017, 11:56 AM   #14
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I got to know a few mag guys, now many are retired or working On Line MC forums rather than the Glossies. John Burns was one of the funniest writers to ever grace the pages of the MC mags. Now? He's rather subdued.
Face it, we are getting OLD.

I've met and still correspond a bit with CW's Mark Hoyer, loaned him a timing gear that got him to the finish on one of our VOCNA annual Summer Rides. That doesn't mean I agree with him all the time.

And I remember when Mr. Burns was referred to as "J. Prurient Burns."
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Old May 30th, 2017, 12:28 PM   #15
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Race Tech can easily set up their stuff for street as well as track; I've only had to tell them which. Many riders over-estimate their needs when they do this. I've used their cartridge emulators in every "right side up" fork set for decades and they can be as plush as you want. The valve change on the Strada was a mere $500 with labor including machine work, and I did not expect that to feel like a $1000 set of cartridges. It was a definite improvement and kept the OEM springs. As for the rear, I'm saving up for an Ohlins before I go after the front again.

PS just sitting on an FJ-09 made me think I was on a Multistrada...what a tank compared to the Hyperstrada!
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Old May 30th, 2017, 01:05 PM   #16
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PS If you haven't actually ridden an FZ-09, then you really can't comment on this. If the magazine guys were always right, nobody would have bought an 821 due to all the whining about the clutch.
I have, the FZ09 was near the top of my list when I bought. A 45 minute test ride was all I needed to know that the bike would be downright dangerous on back roads. Having adjustable suspension isn't worth much if you need to max out the setting anyways. Rides like a sofa on the free way, but will just about skid off the road if you hit a bump mid-corner.

And the "whining" about the clutch was justified, in my opinion. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that.
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Old May 30th, 2017, 01:15 PM   #17
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Yes, and thanks again to YOU for setting this up!
I'm all set to do the swap with the new components. So looking forward to this
very worth while upgrade!

My dealer did one thing while my '13 was in to have the rear master cylinder replaced ... some bright bulb adjusted the clutch. That mech must have taken the bike for a test ride and said "... wow! that clutch sucks!" Anyway, its much better now but still nowhere near what good clutch engagement should be like.

Awaiting your update on the Italian clutch kits.
Awesome, post in the DIY when you get the swap done!
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Old May 30th, 2017, 02:07 PM   #18
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I have no where near the experience of the other posters here. I will say however that I put a Race Tech shock and gold valve/springs on my CRF250l and it transformed the bike. I also put the Ohlins TTX36 shock and Mupo K911 carts on the 939. Huge improvement. I'm actually having it dialed in by my suspension guy tomorrow and will report back. It's fairly stiff for me on the DC roads at the moment and I doubt I ever push this bike to the limit.
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Old May 31st, 2017, 08:21 AM   #19
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I have, the FZ09 was near the top of my list when I bought. A 45 minute test ride was all I needed to know that the bike would be downright dangerous on back roads. Having adjustable suspension isn't worth much if you need to max out the setting anyways. Rides like a sofa on the free way, but will just about skid off the road if you hit a bump mid-corner.

And the "whining" about the clutch was justified, in my opinion. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that.
So, you never actually took it down, say, Skyline. I have a 70 mile "standard ride" on 100% back roads to Ortega Highway and back. Once I got the new Q3s broken in I got the chicken strips down to my usual 1/2" first time on that ride. I do weigh a bit less than you, and most of the roads here are not as bumpy as, say, Ice Cream Grade in the Santa Cruz mountains.

Back on subject, OP has gotten some good advice here. Like just about any bike, some adjustments must be made to suit one's riding style and routes. Either to your riding, or the bike. My Strada has been molested less than nearly every other bike in the garage; I've concentrated on learning what it wants.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 07:35 PM   #20
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I had the Ohlins shock and Mupo carts dialed in today. Just some compression adjustment to soften both up a little for the rough DC roads. The bike was pretty stiff after the original install. Very happy with the results. Well worth the money as I plan on keeping this bike a long while.
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