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Old November 24th, 2017, 10:00 AM   #1
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Which programmer?

With all the programmers out right now, what are the benefits / shortcomings? I am a competent mechanic but I must admit, i am lacking when it comes to electronics n programming. Rexxer EVO, Bazzaz, Healtech, Power Commander V(numerous models that i don't know the difference), RapidBike evo, Termi Upmap, RapidBike exclusive self, RapidBike bypass plug, Brazzaz Fi-fuel commander, "My Tuning" can-bus auto tuning module, SC projects AFM, Magnum Smart Tune, ETC ETC. There are so many it makes my head spin. I'm not looking for tweaking the every last hp from the bike but to be able to ride in all weather without having to go to the dyno. Is there a system that you just set it and forget it? Some of these come with o2 sensors, do they replace the oem sensors or will I need to weld new bung's for new sensors? My bike is a 13 hypermotard non-sp with a Shift tech slip on, exhaust flapper removed and Giuseppe intake with BMC filter. I read numerous threads about these, some with incomplete data stating things like "no new updates" for Termi (was a year old post). I think a complete thread about what each unit does and personal experience would help many people. Much like the Drz pages with their master jetting/master mod sticky threads.
Side note, I just ordered my Shift Tech exhaust yesterday, they are having a Thanksgiving day sale.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 10:39 AM   #2
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I'll write something up to try to help
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Old November 24th, 2017, 10:55 AM   #3
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I'll write something up to try to help
Thank you very much! I really appreciate this.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 04:08 PM   #4
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I hear you on that. All I want to do is disable the flapper and make it run richer. Or turn off the O2s.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 05:11 PM   #5
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In an ideal world, you would want to disable O2's by flashing the ECU so that you don't get an error light (if you simply unplug the O2's, they are disabled, but it will give you an error on the dash). AFAIK the only way to do this is with the Rexxer software.

Then, you'd want to use a fuel tuner to adjust the entire map based on dyno or street tuning. Or, send your dyno data to Rexxer and they could create a custom fuel correction map to be uploaded with their software.

The middle ground here is the Rapidbike EVO, which spoof's the O2 sensor signals so the ECU thinks everything is running as it should be, and lets you tweak the entire fuel table. As such this is the cheapest and most effective option IMO.

Power commander cannot be used unless you disable or unplug O2's.
Bazazz is kinda crappy because they have you splicing into multiple wires. The Rapidbike only taps one wire, the rest is plug and play.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 06:57 PM   #6
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In an ideal world, you would want to disable O2's by flashing the ECU so that you don't get an error light (if you simply unplug the O2's, they are disabled, but it will give you an error on the dash). AFAIK the only way to do this is with the Rexxer software.

Then, you'd want to use a fuel tuner to adjust the entire map based on dyno or street tuning. Or, send your dyno data to Rexxer and they could create a custom fuel correction map to be uploaded with their software.

The middle ground here is the Rapidbike EVO, which spoof's the O2 sensor signals so the ECU thinks everything is running as it should be, and lets you tweak the entire fuel table. As such this is the cheapest and most effective option IMO.

Power commander cannot be used unless you disable or unplug O2's.
Bazazz is kinda crappy because they have you splicing into multiple wires. The Rapidbike only taps one wire, the rest is plug and play.
Do all of these just trick the O2 sensors and build off of That? What about the kits that come with O2 sensors? Best bang for the buck that actually works and has minimal specialist tuning is the RapidBike EVO? It's like ~$600 from what I have seen. Also, there are a ton of other modules, is the evo the only piece needed? I read somewhere that someone gained a cruise controll feature with one of these, is it the EVO? That would be very handy while commuting.
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Do all of these just trick the O2 sensors and build off of That? What about the kits that come with O2 sensors? Best bang for the buck that actually works and has minimal specialist tuning is the RapidBike EVO? It's like ~$600 from what I have seen. Also, there are a ton of other modules, is the evo the only piece needed? I read somewhere that someone gained a cruise controll feature with one of these, is it the EVO? That would be very handy while commuting.
Only the Rapidbike tricks the O2 sensors, it's $525. You can get a wideband O2 sensor hooked up to the bike which is different than the sensors that come on the bike, which are called narrowband. The wideband sensor is a much higher resolution sensor that can tune the bike as you ride it. You'd have to get bungs welded in.

Sure you could get the auto-tune module for a power commander, but the whole time you'll have the power commander fighting the ECU for control as long as the factory O2's are still hooked up.

I don't think any of them have a cruise control. One guy here was working on a kit but it never came to fruition I don't think.

Other modules like quick shift and auto tuning are extra, not needed.
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Old November 25th, 2017, 07:13 AM   #8
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if you own a euro3 bike (821), rexxer can disable o2.
this runs really nice.
for my new euro4 939 rexxer unfortunatly has no possibility to disable o2 at time, maybe in the future.
but i have a rexxertune now which runs better than stock, but still with o2 regulation, and satisfies me.
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Old November 25th, 2017, 10:20 PM   #9
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I've gone Rexxer. Any recommendations on who might have a map for my mods?
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