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Old April 5th, 2017, 04:41 PM   #1
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Thinking about going to BMW

This week will be 3 years with the Hyper. My first Ducati.

The Hyper has been a bit of a rollercoaster ride. It has provided the most fun as well as the most frustration out of any bike. The reliability and build quality has left a bit to be desired, but I was able to address most things so it's a very solid bike now. It has been fun making parts for it - the lights, dash covers, misc tools and pieces here and there. It's also incredibly sexy. Aside from other Ducati models, there aren't many bikes that look nearly as good.

I think the main issue is it's a bit too extreme. The name is "Hyper" after all... duh. I'm not even over 30, but I can appreciate a bike more compliant suspension, less peaky engine, and some more heft to it for stability. On any given day, I'm more likely to pick my VStrom 650 over the Hyper because it's just so much easier to ride, and can go just as quick...

I've been eyeing the S1000XR and R1200GS for a while now. They're in two different classes, but not that different. I've ridden both, and they're pretty awesome. They have a lot of presence and feel more refined compared to the hyper. You also feel more part of the bike, rather than on top of it.

Am I crazy? Anyone else in the same boat?
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Old April 5th, 2017, 06:09 PM   #2
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I don't think you are crazy at all, Of course I may be

You gather more experiences with different types of bikes. I have owned many BMW's and they are great bikes. Go for some test rides and get what ever turns your crank.

I also have thought about ditching the Hyper for similar reasons. I have the multi if I want to go scare the hell out of myself and while the Hyper is quite different it is also quite redundant.

Good for you trying new things.

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Old April 5th, 2017, 06:16 PM   #3
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I have about 130,000 miles of experience on two GSs. Taught off road riding to GS owners. Helped start the Adventure class for dual sport rides. So, some experience with the GS.

As for the XR, well it is a street bike only. Feels top heavy and portly to me.

If I lived in California and wanted one bike to ride everywhere across the state, it would be the GS. The do it all bike. Not the GSA, just the GS.

The Hyper is different in that it is a dirt bike in size, weight and riding position.

Seated on the GS I extend my 36" sleeve arm and my fist is over the key.

Seated on the Hyper and my fist is over the front fender.

You sit on a dirt bike, and the Hyper. You do indeed sit in the GS.

The Hyper is narrowly crafted for a narrow purpose. The GS is a Swiss Army Knife bike. Load it like a mule, fine.

The beauty of motorcycling is that there are huge differences between products, which is so unlike autos.

Pick what suits you, then switch when the desire changes.

I switched from 6 cylinders and warp speeds crossing this continent to 2 cylinders and short loops.
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Old April 5th, 2017, 06:33 PM   #4
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Note that the XR is built to a price with a chain and cable clutch. It's intended to be a conquest bike bringing new riders to BMW.

The GS has the best components BMW offers. The suspension design allows for the OK quality shocks to perform fine. Especially if you have the semi active suspension.
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Old April 5th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #5
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I Ride: 04 WR450 Supermoto, and 13 Hyperstrada
I'm on the other end of the spectrum.. I don't want to get rid of my HS because there's nothing else on the market that I could see myself owning or riding.

I'm a tiny rider (5'6" and ~115 lbs soaking wet) so I've become such a fan of supermoto bikes due to their size and weight. Sure, the bike comes with a few compromises, but for my own comfort level and rider skill this bike is leagues ahead of the crowd. I think not having the SP has helped tho, because I really didn't need the abrupt track oriented suspension on the street.

I don't do a lot of heavy touring, I do occasionally mount the windscreen, load up the panniers/bags and go on a weekend adventure.. So again, the bike fits the bill for me. The lights however leave something to be desired for night time operations.

I've sat on quite a few GS's, S-Duke's, Multi's, Tiger's, and A-Twin's.. and every time I did I was immediately happy I still had my HS. The weight, the bulkiness, and the ergo's just don't jive with me.

If you do get rid of your bike, good luck in the future and it was a pleasure having you here documenting and creating some really cool fixes and solutions. Can I put in dibs for your removed accessory lights? haha..

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Old April 5th, 2017, 09:06 PM   #6
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Interesting feedback regarding the GS. It's truly a great bike. I took one on a 1200 mile trip and it was phenomenal - but extremely capable, stable, and the electronic suspension was ridiculously good over the roughest roads of northern california. The only thing lacking was a fun factor. It's almost too perfect. Nice flat torque, shaft drive, long travel. But the power never has that *kick*. It's hard to describe.

When I rode the XR I was pretty impressed with how it felt. The electronic suspension was just OK, not the magic carpet ride I expected. Not nearly as supple as the GS. But every other aspect of the bike was so good, and it has that exciting rush of power.

It's funny you mention the hyper and a dirtbike being similar. I find them to be very different. While the 'motard styling resembles a dirt bike, the stiff suspension, peaky power, and 17" wheels are the furthest thing from a dirt bike. It is better suited to sport riding on smooth roads than the ultra goaty stuff that a GS would excel at. I'm sure with your suspension mods it's more tailored to goat roads, but the engine and geometry are still very aggressive.


Obviously there are a couple things I have in the back of my mind...
-Do I find a way to keep the Hyper after getting the XR/GS?
-Are the XR/GS worth the 20 grand? That's a LOT! The FJ09 is in a similar category for... 9k?
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Old April 5th, 2017, 09:14 PM   #7
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I'm on the other end of the spectrum.. I don't want to get rid of my HS because there's nothing else on the market that I could see myself owning or riding.

I'm a tiny rider (5'6" and ~115 lbs soaking wet) so I've become such a fan of supermoto bikes due to their size and weight. Sure, the bike comes with a few compromises, but for my own comfort level and rider skill this bike is leagues ahead of the crowd. I think not having the SP has helped tho, because I really didn't need the abrupt track oriented suspension on the street.

I don't do a lot of heavy touring, I do occasionally mount the windscreen, load up the panniers/bags and go on a weekend adventure.. So again, the bike fits the bill for me. The lights however leave something to be desired for night time operations.

I've sat on quite a few GS's, S-Duke's, Multi's, Tiger's, and A-Twin's.. and every time I did I was immediately happy I still had my HS. The weight, the bulkiness, and the ergo's just don't jive with me.

If you do get rid of your bike, good luck in the future and it was a pleasure having you here documenting and creating some really cool fixes and solutions. Can I put in dibs for your removed accessory lights? haha..

I will certainly miss the community, if I decide to switch over. I was a bit upset when joining the Ducati forums - at first glance most threads were focused on adding $3,000 Termi pipes and $900 carbon fiber parts. Not a lot of tinkering/hacking. I think that's part of the fun. But after some digging, there are actually a lot of really smart people here. They say owning a Ducati makes mechanics out of riders anyway.

I'm going to have my current light set for sale as a take-off at a much reduced price. Probably in the coming months. It was the prototype version and I plan to put a final V2 on mine. I'll also have a V1 kit at an even cheaper price, also a take-off I ran for about 6 months.

Anyway with regards to your position. I can see that. I actually regret buying the SP. The base model would have been much cheaper and I wouldn't feel bad about adding some more farkles. I am tallish (6 feet, 34" inseam) so I prefer big bikes - the GS, KTM 1190, XR, Multi types. Most bikes are too small in the seat-to-peg in stock form.

The Hyper is weird for me. One day I hate it. The next I love it and can't fathom selling it. It's just so narrowly focused, if you're not in the zone it's kinda crappy. If you are in the zone... it's better than sex.
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Worth watching. Makes me want to go out and put a down payment right now.

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Old April 5th, 2017, 09:29 PM   #9
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Note that the XR is built to a price with a chain and cable clutch. It's intended to be a conquest bike bringing new riders to BMW.

The GS has the best components BMW offers. The suspension design allows for the OK quality shocks to perform fine. Especially if you have the semi active suspension.
I don't mind the chain... it's cheap to service, its the most efficient, and can deal with the power. Easy to change gear ratios. Cable clutch also isn't an issue - better than dealing with another hydraulic system that can leak. I see your point though. The GS is much more grown up and refined.

I'm fortunate enough to live near Ted the owner of BeemerShop. He is a BMW suspension guru. So that would be a +1 for picking the GS.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 12:09 AM   #10
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I, too, am about to hit my third anniversary with my Hyperstrada and have had the same thoughts as you, albeit for different reasons.

The more I ride the HS, the more I find it to be a highly imperfect bike:
  • The clutch
  • Throttle response
  • Inadequate suspension
  • Poor/indifferent service from my local Ducati dealer

I can address all of these issues, but at what cost?

I think Ducati failed with the HS/HM, because it didn't have the sales to justify continuing to develop the platform.

I've had a GS in the past, and it's an entirely different motorcycle, in design, size, and objective, completely incomparable to the HS in my mind. If doing long trips was my sole or primary use-case for the bike, it would be a very good choice, but my needs are more varied. If I want to do a three-day trip over fast, curvy roads, the GS is overkill (for three days) and lumbering (for fast, curvy roads). This should be where the HS shines, but it doesn't quite do so without significant mods.
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