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Old April 5th, 2015, 10:02 PM   #11
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Mine "fell off" during 600 mile service, at no extra charge. That's FL "screw your emissions laws" customer service for ya!

Call me what you want, but, I've been cutting the cats out of my cars and running dirty since my first VW back in '99. I grew up in rural areas where emission control shit was just dead weight, restrictive and usually caused expensive problems. I can only imagine that a company like Duc doesn't put a tireless amount of effort into fitting an eco rig they know is gonna get removed on 90% of their bikes. It just has to pass inspection, right!

Sorry California (and some of Europe). Pay fines or move east.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 09:43 AM   #12
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Mine "fell off" during 600 mile service, at no extra charge. That's FL "screw your emissions laws" customer service for ya!

Call me what you want, but, I've been cutting the cats out of my cars and running dirty since my first VW back in '99. I grew up in rural areas where emission control shit was just dead weight, restrictive and usually caused expensive problems. I can only imagine that a company like Duc doesn't put a tireless amount of effort into fitting an eco rig they know is gonna get removed on 90% of their bikes. It just has to pass inspection, right!

Sorry California (and some of Europe). Pay fines or move east.
What an attitude. You have kids, what kind of world do you want for them? I remember what our air here looked like back in the 1960's, and it has improved a lot. Emissions systems have come a very long way since the Retronox aftermarket nonsense back in the 70's. That canister has zero effect on performance unless you overfill the tank. This has been no problem for me.

And as for moving east, especially to flatland, I prefer roads with corners.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 12:44 PM   #13
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What an attitude. You have kids, what kind of world do you want for them? I remember what our air here looked like back in the 1960's, and it has improved a lot. Emissions systems have come a very long way since the Retronox aftermarket nonsense back in the 70's. That canister has zero effect on performance unless you overfill the tank. This has been no problem for me.

And as for moving east, especially to flatland, I prefer roads with corners.
*ding ding* Round 1:

Listen, Zippy. People who feel the need to flock to urban centers busting at the seams should certainly have to make sacrifices to preserve their environment. There are very few places outside a low number of giant cities that have pollution issues directly attributable to CO2 emissions.

Mother nature will flick us like a booger when she's tired of us. If we believed every alarmist claim of climate concerns, by the year 2000, we should have been A) underwater, B) out of food, C) a scorched wasteland, C) an iceberg by now. Do you travel by plane? You own/owned a number of vintage bikes- what's their carbon footprint at full boil? Is your home fully powered by renewable energy sources? So, careful casting judgment about a lost evap can or cutting the cats off my cars when I was a kid.

And please don't reference my family on an open forum. A few politically charged comments gives you zero basis to form an accurate reference of my personal life and how I raise my children.

Fokker, out.
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Old April 6th, 2015, 01:58 PM   #14
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Listen, Zippy. People who feel the need to flock to urban centers busting at the seams should certainly have to make sacrifices to preserve their environment. There are very few places outside a low number of giant cities that have pollution issues directly attributable to CO2 emissions.

Mother nature will flick us like a booger when she's tired of us. If we believed every alarmist claim of climate concerns, by the year 2000, we should have been A) underwater, B) out of food, C) a scorched wasteland, C) an iceberg by now. Do you travel by plane? You own/owned a number of vintage bikes- what's their carbon footprint at full boil? Is your home fully powered by renewable energy sources? So, careful casting judgment about a lost evap can or cutting the cats off my cars when I was a kid.
You makes a good point, I must say.
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Old April 7th, 2015, 09:14 AM   #15
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Did I hit a nerve?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Your opinions are not shared by the vast majority of scientists, at least not the ones paid by those who profit from polluting our world. We all breathe the same air and have the same responsibilities. It's a shame that some folks can't see that.

This is not a fight, it's a discussion of accepting reality vs. wishful thinking.

I am a member of AAAS. They have been around since 1848, and publish "Science," the journal of record for American scientific research. The UK has "Nature." It's hard science, peer-reviewed. That means that once in a while a paper will be exposed as wrong and then formally retracted. I read most of it every week (the actual research papers get a bit technical). It's where real science comes from. You can't pick and choose which to believe, you accept this science every time you thumb your bike's starter button or turn on Fox News.

And that's all I have to say on the subject, go ahead and rant.
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Old April 7th, 2015, 02:21 PM   #16
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I want a world where certain races don't want to eradicate all who don't think or worship like them. Cutting defense spending so we can add solar fields and CO2 scrubbers weakens the fundamental base of sovereignty- security (peace). My children have to be alive in order to enjoy the planet. Priorities.

You left out a 1%-er jab, by the way. Maybe work in a creationist vs stupid Christian line, too.
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