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Old June 13th, 2017, 11:29 AM   #151
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In our area, 99% of the roads are either paved or (less often) graded dirt/gravel. There can be some deeper stuff after a big rain, also not often. I've been riding various bikes with 100% street rubber for decades on these roads. Never had a problem with any quality brand other than some early Michelin radials that cupped terribly.

The Dunlop Q3s I run now have just as much traction on loose surfaces as the OEM Pirellis. They definitely have superior grip and stability, which is more important to me than wear life. I'm too old for a getoff!
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Old June 14th, 2017, 02:03 PM   #152
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I'm finding that all sorts of tires work well on the Hyper. Knobby tires certainly have limitations on pavement, especially wet. But, the single biggest improvement for me keeping constant tire contact with the pavement was suspension. Huge difference if the tire has constant contact.

Buy the best sticky tire in the world and if your suspension isn't able to deal with imperfect road surfaces and you are screwed.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 12:53 AM   #153
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True, less than ideal suspension can have you going off the road or losing control at inopportune times.
Modern name brand tires today are so good, it's hard to find truly bad ones.
But really, nothing will work at max until suspension is set up.

Pressures make a difference from what I can tell. Some riders may run pressures too high and not let tires warm enough before pitching it in.

Not all tires work well in the rain. (obvious) I start off slow, test for grip and little by little ... but wet roads can catch you out on some tires if you push too hard or try to get the power down too early. Tricky stuff.

I've fallen a couple times hitting sand or dirt at full lean. Lost the front in both cases ... instantly down. Some Dual sport tires will get through sand mid corner better than street tires.
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Old June 15th, 2017, 08:24 AM   #154
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I'm extra cautious on wet roads or turns I can't see through for this reason, I don't relish the idea of hitting gravel and crashing. I've hit a few unexpected gravel patches but I've been lucky enough to make it through with nothing but a little pucker.

I was pretty impressed with the Rosso IIIs in rain, haven't tested the Angel GT yet but I'm sure it'll get a chance.

I spent a day and a half riding in the rain in Oregon last year. I was able to maintain a reasonable pace and it seemed as long as I was smooth on the gas / brakes / corners there were no issues. That said, the needles that got knocked out of the redwoods offered no traction whatsoever when wet.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 11:52 AM   #155
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My back TKC80 just got destroyed by a big razor blade. The back was all worn down anyways.
So, do I stick with these or do I go elsewhere?
I like the traction off road but the lifespan is dismal.
Anything new out there?
Anybody have anything new to report on other options for dual sport tires?
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Old September 20th, 2017, 04:00 PM   #156
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I've always been a big proponent of the Metzler M7RR but after trying the Dunlop Roadsmart 3 I might be a believer. It doesn't have the ultimate grip of the M7, but better tread wear and similar phenomenal feedback/handling characteristics.

I have the T30 EVO on my VStrom and do not like them at all. Very strange profile causes nonlinear steering. Wasn't fond of the 'dead' feeling Angel GT's on the same bike. If only the RS3 came in a 19" front..

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Old September 20th, 2017, 04:17 PM   #157
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I need something a little more off-roady. Any experiences with the Avon AV84 / AV85 Trekrider?
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Old September 20th, 2017, 06:11 PM   #158
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I need something a little more off-roady. Any experiences with the Avon AV84 / AV85 Trekrider?
My review: Avon Trailrider Tire Review



This fall I will install these:

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Old September 21st, 2017, 02:04 PM   #159
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I ran a TCK80 on the back for a few thousand miles maybe 3 then put on a Karoo 3, it has maybe 2500 miles on it and is holding up well to the pavement and has no unusual attributes.
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